[tonemoz]

In TAL the correct swfl was shown , but you could not flash, or why do you think you can not flash it anymore.

I havent tried to flash yet, was interested if anyone had. Have a car to play with next week.

Regards

[Almaretto]

In TAL the correct swfl was shown , but you could not flash, or why do you think you can not flash it anymore.

I got BTLD and SWFL changes in Tal-Calculation. Went to flash and it finished with Warning.

No DTC errors or dash/CID warnings. Still looking at logs. When Read ECU, it shows new BTLD and SWFL.

[tonemoz]

So we had a look at our F80 today, changed the type code to M4 GTS. Was able to flash the EGS ok, the DME was greyed out though.

Kind regards

[Almaretto]

So we had a look at our F80 today, changed the type code to M4 GTS. Was able to flash the EGS ok, the DME was greyed out though.

Kind regards

You will cripple cars power if you force DME without GTS FSC.

[tonemoz]

So we had a look at our F80 today, changed the type code to M4 GTS. Was able to flash the EGS ok, the DME was greyed out though.

Kind regards

You will cripple cars power if you force DME without GTS FSC.

Thank you for your input, we are just interested to learn. Can I ask, is it possible to generate the FSC and how to force the software? Would there be an issue returning the car to standard afterwards?
Many thanks.

[Almaretto]

So we had a look at our F80 today, changed the type code to M4 GTS. Was able to flash the EGS ok, the DME was greyed out though.

Kind regards

You will cripple cars power if you force DME without GTS FSC.

Thank you for your input, we are just interested to learn. Can I ask, is it possible to generate the FSC and how to force the software? Would there be an issue returning the car to standard afterwards?
Many thanks.

There is no publicly available free means to generate FSC. Is it possible; probably but not sure. Yes it was possible, at least previously, to return software afterwards but no reason to test unless you have DME FSC.

[franzzz]

So we had a look at our F80 today, changed the type code to M4 GTS. Was able to flash the EGS ok, the DME was greyed out though.

Kind regards

You will cripple cars power if you force DME without GTS FSC.

Thank you for your input, we are just interested to learn. Can I ask, is it possible to generate the FSC and how to force the software? Would there be an issue returning the car to standard afterwards?
Many thanks.

There is no publicly available free means to generate FSC. Is it possible; probably but not sure. Yes it was possible, at least previously, to return software afterwards but no reason to test unless you have DME FSC.

Same problem if i force bmw M4 CS 460CV DME SWFL ?
For GTS DME SWFL it's impossible : Different hardware (Water inj, for example, calibration of AFR etc etc)

[Almaretto]

So we had a look at our F80 today, changed the type code to M4 GTS. Was able to flash the EGS ok, the DME was greyed out though.

Kind regards

You will cripple cars power if you force DME without GTS FSC.

Thank you for your input, we are just interested to learn. Can I ask, is it possible to generate the FSC and how to force the software? Would there be an issue returning the car to standard afterwards?
Many thanks.

There is no publicly available free means to generate FSC. Is it possible; probably but not sure. Yes it was possible, at least previously, to return software afterwards but no reason to test unless you have DME FSC.

Same problem if i force bmw M4 CS 460CV DME SWFL ?
For GTS DME SWFL it's impossible : Different hardware (Water inj, for example, calibration of AFR etc etc)

There are ways to force, but I do not recommend it as an exercise. As stated, it will result in crippled, lower power "civic" version of ///M.

[franzzz]

Ok...........

tnx.

[Kuiyt2]

It is not forcing. It will flash and finish like normal (the DME,) but the car will be in a limp mode state without the proper FSC. Regardless, even a FSC was possible the car would error due to smaller oil pan, missing water tank and so on.

The FSC not being present/wrong FSC (IE comp package FSC with GTS flash) triggers the same limp mode as when the car detects a failure in the motor/chassis. The vehicle will still move/drive you will even hear the start up burble and burbles when you gas it and let off.

I am assuming most these vehicles you guys are playing with are still under warranty, do keep in mind FATSA data is saved with your flash history (date, time and what was flashed.) The DME is very detailed with the information it saves. They can tell exactly at what time, kilometers and for how long you rev’d (held) at a certain RPM even.

If you see the other end of FATSA data you will be shocked at how detailed and informative the information is. Most the FATSA data is generated when scanning the ECU, the portion you guys see on ISTA D that says FATSA is only the compressing of the data and transferring. You see how quickly INPA reads all the codes, you think they can’t do that?

If you are an actual tech and submit a PUMA case for more support once someone is on the line with you and you start speaking to them the information they give you about the car is almost shocking.

All the way up to about 2010/11 they would send an actual field rep out to scan the vehicles with special tools and software if something raised a red flag, with the release of the F chassis cars they almost removed sending people out. ISTA D does all the detailed reading sends it to HQ. E cars have little to no FATSA information.

All I am saying is at the very least do not touch the motor/DME for any reason.