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Vag Can Pro - apoelistas - 09-08-2017
I have in my hand for testing purposes vag can pro 5.5.1 (SP275) with QC mark.. Not sure if I will use it since I have already enabled keyless entry. That was the purpose of purchasing it but after I managed to flash with obdlink SX usb and SRT can-connect russian program it is a feature I will not test. The other reason was to get the radio concert 0350 firmware but clone version does not come with this, only original has it.
(RG3_ECE_0350.sgo (or the rar container RG3_ECE_0350.rar)
It was bought for self usage but it will remain in my luggage of not used diagnostics unless it is needed in the future. Also testing to see complexity and if it is worth to buy original.
It comes with the zdc file for enabling keyless entry and many other zdc parameters which I have no clue what they do. I have used VCDs for enabling all other options. VCDs can not flash or activate new parameters which are disabled in firmware.
Not sure if it can unlock used control units.
It can flash firmware (e.g. .sgo) but I know that vas5054a with Odis engineering is quicker. Also flash option is not available with VCDs.
It can function with and without usb dongle by replacing 2 DLLs. It needs usb dongle if dll files are not replaced.
Please post your questions and experience regarding this clone.
The original is much better, supported, tested, can download zdc and firmware through the manager app, and has version 8. The original VCP price is not bad (though postage cost is high), so I recommend it compared to VAS5054a however it can be used to complement VCDs i.e. to be used as an add on but not as a VCDs replacement.
Best value / usage (all perform the same as diagnostic)
1. VCDs (best for coding)
2. VCP (price similar to VCDs)
3. VAS5054a
Best for flashing firmware
1. VAS5054a and VCP
Best for calibrations:
1. Vas5054a
2. VCDs/VCP (VCP has some service functions automated with one click OCF)
Best for activating keyless entry
1. SRT can-connect (has more features which I have not tested). I will create a new thread on this.
2. VCP (not tested but I believe I know how, seems more complex since you have to select all 8 parameters for flashing, coupe 2 door vs 4 door selection)
VAS5054a cannot enable keyless entry even even with Odis engineering. Tried to save current parameters to see if I can modify keyless but in almost every control module it asks for a security code, so I cannot save existing parameters.
Unlocking control units:
1. VCP???? Not tested but if it does it should be complex. First in case it does support this.
2. Vas5054a (Audi dealer)
VCP can add other parameters such as VIM but I only have radio concert so I cannot test this function. Can connect has some functions that resemble VCP or VCDs (but automated).
NOTE:
VAS5054a used with odis-S or odis-E
Odis-E can fix failed flash of control units unlike odis-S. I believe VCP has same capability since it can flash offline
5.5.1 SP275 good quality version has been tested (with the dll files) for flashing capability and has flashed successfully. Recommended for flashing.
RE: Vag Can Pro - ninja_zx11 - 11-08-2017
Thanks for the info!!
You were saying you had vcx nano and i just came across this vas6154 clone but it looks like vcx nano in a vas6154 case.Could you please compare it's internal components with vcx nano as you already have it.Thanks
RE: Vag Can Pro - apoelistas - 11-08-2017
Vxdiag vas6154??? Can you compare this with the original PCB pictures?? I dont think vxdiag clones as original rather they use different design, which can work well for coding and calibrations but not firmware flash with odis engineering. VXdiag does not make enough tests. They have not managed to give information regarding flashing with O-E or giving out the info regarding which O-E is the compatible version. No youtube video no guidance.
I have vxdiag vcx nano wifi for VW and board does not resemble with 5054a even though it is recognised as one. Flashing with odis engineering 6.7.5 failed causing instrument cluster failure. Odis engineering 6.6.1 may work since all other functions work (tested and work) but I am afraid to check flashing capability since I dont have a proper vas5054a as a back up. I am more interested in capability and internal chips quality rather than external appearance. 6154 board looks similar to my vcx nano board design pictures I have uploaded in another thread.
# VCX Driver Update History
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## 2017.03.13 v1.20.040.170313
1. Fix setup compatible for ODIS 4.0.0
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## 2016.10.11 v1.20.038.161011
1. Fix setup compatible for ODIS 3.0.0/3.0.2/3.0.3/3.1.0
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## 2016.09.01 v1.20.037.160901
1. Fix setup error for ODIS 3.0.0
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## 2016.07.21 v1.20.037.160721
1. First release for VW ODIS 3
Note 1.20.038 and 1.20.040 pdu-api drivers are just saying to use 1.20.037 pdu-api driver. Not sure if this is how it is with the real pdu-api drivers.
I am still trying to find a good quality vas5054a with proper memory chips full chip including original oki and a amb2300. Any ideas?? Obd365 vas5054a sp33-c with amb2300 is not real. They do not sell sp33-C with amb2300, I believe. I dont trust their pictures. If they have that vas5054a board as pictured I will purchase
RE: Vag Can Pro - ninja_zx11 - 11-08-2017
I think you misunderstood my question.
Vas6154 is a newer tool by VW which has replaced Vas5054a.Even newer ODIS 4.1.4 dropped support for vas5054a on win10.So eventually we won't be able to use vas5054a anymore in future.Vas6154 is a newer designed head with wifi capability.
So there was no clone of vas6154 available as it is a fairly new tool But the guys in the link are calling that piece vas6154??
To me it looked like they have put their vcx nano board inside a vas6154 case and calling it as a clone of newer Vas6154.Thats why I was asking you to compare the internals with your vcx nano.Looks like now chxxxxx sellers will start ripping off people by selling their little differently designed vcx nano as a Vas6154 clone...
RE: Vag Can Pro - apoelistas - 11-08-2017
(11-08-2017, 12:12 PM)ninja_zx11 Wrote: I think you misunderstood my question.
Vas6154 is a newer tool by VW which has replaced Vas5054a.Even newer ODIS 4.1.4 dropped support for vas5054a on win10.So eventually we won't be able to use vas5054a anymore in future.Vas6154 is a newer designed head with wifi capability.
So there was no clone of vas6154 available as it is a fairly new tool But the guys in the link are calling that piece vas6154??
To me it looked like they have put their vcx nano board inside a vas6154 case and calling it as a clone of newer Vas6154.Thats why I was asking you to compare the internals with your vcx nano.Looks like now chxxxxx sellers will start ripping off people by selling their little differently designed vcx nano as a Vas6154 clone...
One side is similar. The other side vcx nano for VW/Audi is more complex. It could be firmware updated to support odis-S 4.1.4 I guess but if it does it may not be backward compatible with older odis-S ( odis-E). Current firmware supports up to odis-S 4.0.0. Its API is old and it supports odis-E 6.6.1 but not sure of flash capability.
RE: Vag Can Pro - ninja_zx11 - 11-08-2017
(11-08-2017, 13:20 PM)apoelistas Wrote: http://cartechnology.co.uk/attachment.php?aid=49950 http://cartechnology.co.uk/attachment.php?aid=49949
One side is similar. The other side vcx nano for VW/Audi is more complex. It could be firmware updated to support odis-S 4.1.4 I guess but if it does it may not be backward compatible with older odis-S ( odis-E). Current firmware supports up to odis-S 4.0.0. Its API is old and I think it supports odis-E 6.6.1 but not sure of flash capability.
Thanks for the nano pics.
Wow..it means they have changed their nano's design little to look like vas6154 and installed 4 leds just like vas6154.Now they will rip people off by selling their crap as a vas6154...
RE: Vag Can Pro - apoelistas - 11-08-2017
(11-08-2017, 13:44 PM)ninja_zx11 Wrote: Thanks for the nano pics.
Wow..it means they have changed their nano's design little to look like vas6154 and installed 4 leds just like vas6154.Now they will rip people off by selling their crap as a vas6154...
You are welcome. Thanks for your link. Not sure if we are allowed to post links so I have made an attachment of those same as your txt attachment.
Not an expert but vcxnano could not fit into OBD port of Audi, so you needed to buy an external cable extender, so they have changed shell to look like vas5054a/6154 and made some other cost cutting board features that can only be used with VW/Audi unlike vcx nano which can be used with many makes, if one purchases the license.
RE: Vag Can Pro - obdtool - 12-08-2017
(11-08-2017, 09:07 AM)apoelistas Wrote: Obd365 vas5054a sp33-c with amb2300 is not real.
not real?
what do you mean?
(12-08-2017, 03:46 AM)obdtool Wrote:(11-08-2017, 09:07 AM)apoelistas Wrote: Obd365 vas5054a sp33-c with amb2300 is not real.
not real?
what do you mean?
edit: i went there just now and found the one with amb2300
it's sp33-e
RE: Vag Can Pro - apoelistas - 12-08-2017
(12-08-2017, 03:46 AM)obdtool Wrote:(11-08-2017, 09:07 AM)apoelistas Wrote: Obd365 vas5054a sp33-c with amb2300 is not real.
not real?
what do you mean?
(12-08-2017, 03:46 AM)obdtool Wrote:(11-08-2017, 09:07 AM)apoelistas Wrote: Obd365 vas5054a sp33-c with amb2300 is not real.
not real?
what do you mean?
edit: i went there just now and found the one with amb2300
it's sp33-e
This is sp33-c with amb2300. Can you see this or not.?? The best quality is sp33-c with amb2300. Sp33-e is inferior quality. (Fake Oki)
Why do they show sp33-c with amb2300 if they don't sell one???
The sp33-c photos are on this link.
http://blog.obdii365.com/2017/08/10/vas-6154a-wifi-vs-vas-5054a-bluetooth/
Many sellers show not real product photos (they used to make them is 2013-2014 like this) but you will receive something different, at least amb2300 with not be there and maybe some other differences too.
Go again and show these photos and ask for this product with amb2300. If you find one please let me know.
You will be amazed, well you may try to defend them again, that sp33-e has fake Oki. From the day Chinese use fake chips they are not trusted.
Also try to find one with proper memory 5v 10ns and amb2300. You will not find any.
RE: Vag Can Pro - obdtool - 12-08-2017
(12-08-2017, 06:29 AM)apoelistas Wrote:(12-08-2017, 03:46 AM)obdtool Wrote:(11-08-2017, 09:07 AM)apoelistas Wrote: Obd365 vas5054a sp33-c with amb2300 is not real.
not real?
what do you mean?
(12-08-2017, 03:46 AM)obdtool Wrote:(11-08-2017, 09:07 AM)apoelistas Wrote: Obd365 vas5054a sp33-c with amb2300 is not real.
not real?
what do you mean?
edit: i went there just now and found the one with amb2300
it's sp33-e
This is sp33-c with amb2300. Can you see this or not.?? The best quality is sp33-c with amb2300. Sp33-e is inferior quality.
Why do they show sp33-c with amb2300 if they don't sell one???
The photos are on this link.
http://blog.obdii365.com/2017/08/10/vas-6154a-wifi-vs-vas-5054a-bluetooth/
i think their sp33-c should be with amb2300
you can see the PCB they sent me
it's with amb2300