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BMW F23 - Rear view camera retrofit without SA609
15-02-2019, 10:35 AM,
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XZBMW  BMW F23 - Rear view camera retrofit without SA609
Hello,
I want to retrofit a rear view camera at a BMW F23
VIN of this car is: VE47315

This car do not have the Professional (SA 609) it only hast the Business (SA606)
Is it possible to retrofit fit the original rear view camera without SA609?

The part list this I think I need:
 - Rear View camera 66539475684
- Rear View camera ECU 66536994555 or can I also use a TRSVC for rear view camera?
(Then I would coding out the not used signals? So retrofit later other cameras would be better)
- also need the cabels for connecting

The main questions is that I need to know if I can retrofit the camera at this car or if I need to change something on the Navigationsystem. If I need to change what I need to change for the retrofit?
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15-02-2019, 16:41 PM,
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RE: BMW F23 - Rear view camera retrofit without SA609
With Navi Business you will not have a problem, but with the FEM, because it needs to be changed to one for rear view (this only has the K-CAN1 to work with the ECU). In ETK you will see, that there a 2 different FEMs.
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15-02-2019, 22:16 PM,
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RE: BMW F23 - Rear view camera retrofit without SA609
(15-02-2019, 16:41 PM)gt678 Wrote:  With Navi Business you will not have a problem, but with the FEM, because it needs to be changed to one for rear view (this only has the K-CAN1 to work with the ECU). In ETK you will see, that there a 2 different FEMs.

So then I would need to buy me a FEM like part no. 61358733499? 
Then I do not need to change Headunit to Profesional?
Do you maybe have a manual for retrofit?
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26-02-2019, 09:36 AM,
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XZBMW  RE: BMW F23 - Rear view camera retrofit without SA609
(15-02-2019, 16:41 PM)gt678 Wrote:  With Navi Business you will not have a problem, but with the FEM, because it needs to be changed to one for rear view (this only has the K-CAN1 to work with the ECU). In ETK you will see, that there a 2 different FEMs.

I have done the retrofit on my 04/2018 F30 with no navi at all, and using the K-Can1 wires on FEM (51,52), and it works just fine.

I used this wiring diagram

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f30-3...1Vnc2i6J1h

I used this ICAM : 66536999277 but, I should have used 66539109855 or newer. Check RealOem for the correct part number for you build date. Mine works, but ISTA will have it replaced before it can do SW update.

/Weebyx

(15-02-2019, 10:35 AM)KSpeed Wrote:  Hello,
I want to retrofit a rear view camera at a BMW F23
VIN of this car is: VE47315

This car do not have the Professional (SA 609) it only hast the Business (SA606)
Is it possible to retrofit fit the original rear view camera without SA609?

The part list this I think I need:
 - Rear View camera 66539475684
- Rear View camera ECU 66536994555 or can I also use a TRSVC for rear view camera?
(Then I would coding out the not used signals? So retrofit later other cameras would be better)
- also need the cabels for connecting

The main questions is that I need to know if I can retrofit the camera at this car or if I need to change something on the Navigationsystem. If I need to change what I need to change for the retrofit?

Oh, and you only need the ICAM, no need for TRSVC ecu. Camera is connected directly to Headunit.

I guess you also has HU_EntryNav2 headunit ?

/Weebyx
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26-02-2019, 10:49 AM,
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RE: BMW F23 - Rear view camera retrofit without SA609
(26-02-2019, 09:36 AM)Weebyx Wrote:  
(15-02-2019, 16:41 PM)gt678 Wrote:  With Navi Business you will not have a problem, but with the FEM, because it needs to be changed to one for rear view (this only has the K-CAN1 to work with the ECU). In ETK you will see, that there a 2 different FEMs.

I have done the retrofit on my 04/2018 F30 with no navi at all, and using the K-Can1 wires on FEM (51,52), and it works just fine.

I used this wiring diagram

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f30-3...1Vnc2i6J1h

I used this ICAM : 66536999277 but, I should have used 66539109855 or newer. Check RealOem for the correct part number for you build date. Mine works, but ISTA will have it replaced before it can do SW update.

/Weebyx

(15-02-2019, 10:35 AM)KSpeed Wrote:  Hello,
I want to retrofit a rear view camera at a BMW F23
VIN of this car is: VE47315

This car do not have the Professional (SA 609) it only hast the Business (SA606)
Is it possible to retrofit fit the original rear view camera without SA609?

The part list this I think I need:
 - Rear View camera 66539475684
- Rear View camera ECU 66536994555 or can I also use a TRSVC for rear view camera?
(Then I would coding out the not used signals? So retrofit later other cameras would be better)
- also need the cabels for connecting

The main questions is that I need to know if I can retrofit the camera at this car or if I need to change something on the Navigationsystem. If I need to change what I need to change for the retrofit?

Oh, and you only need the ICAM, no need for TRSVC ecu. Camera is connected directly to Headunit.

I guess you also has HU_EntryNav2 headunit ?

/Weebyx

Pins (51,52) are CAN3 not CAN1 in case of the car you are talking about ( + 03/2018 ) , ICAM works on CAN3 only with or without TRSVC . TRSVC only needed as Video switch when more than 1 camera is installed . 

but you are right that new FEM is not required for camera to work , I don't know why ETK shows different PN for FEM with Camera and without . I have done many camera retrofits on basic F30 and F20 , never needed to change FEM .
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27-02-2019, 14:20 PM,
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RE: BMW F23 - Rear view camera retrofit without SA609
So can you just install the ICAM on >03/2018 F30 cars and code EVO, Kombi, REM, PDC & FEM with 3AG?

Been trying to find the correct rear cam solution for new cars with or without EVO.
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27-02-2019, 17:24 PM,
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RE: BMW F23 - Rear view camera retrofit without SA609
I have seen several X1 and 2 active tourer with entrynav rear PDC only and icam. Build date from 2014 and up.
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04-03-2019, 06:27 AM,
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XZBMW  RE: BMW F23 - Rear view camera retrofit without SA609
(26-02-2019, 10:49 AM)emhtuning Wrote:  
(26-02-2019, 09:36 AM)Weebyx Wrote:  
(15-02-2019, 16:41 PM)gt678 Wrote:  With Navi Business you will not have a problem, but with the FEM, because it needs to be changed to one for rear view (this only has the K-CAN1 to work with the ECU). In ETK you will see, that there a 2 different FEMs.

I have done the retrofit on my 04/2018 F30 with no navi at all, and using the K-Can1 wires on FEM (51,52), and it works just fine.

I used this wiring diagram

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f30-3...1Vnc2i6J1h

I used this ICAM : 66536999277 but, I should have used 66539109855 or newer. Check RealOem for the correct part number for you build date. Mine works, but ISTA will have it replaced before it can do SW update.

/Weebyx

(15-02-2019, 10:35 AM)KSpeed Wrote:  Hello,
I want to retrofit a rear view camera at a BMW F23
VIN of this car is: VE47315

This car do not have the Professional (SA 609) it only hast the Business (SA606)
Is it possible to retrofit fit the original rear view camera without SA609?

The part list this I think I need:
 - Rear View camera 66539475684
- Rear View camera ECU 66536994555 or can I also use a TRSVC for rear view camera?
(Then I would coding out the not used signals? So retrofit later other cameras would be better)
- also need the cabels for connecting

The main questions is that I need to know if I can retrofit the camera at this car or if I need to change something on the Navigationsystem. If I need to change what I need to change for the retrofit?

Oh, and you only need the ICAM, no need for TRSVC ecu. Camera is connected directly to Headunit.

I guess you also has HU_EntryNav2 headunit ?

/Weebyx

Pins (51,52) are CAN3 not CAN1 in case of the car you are talking about ( + 03/2018 ) , ICAM works on CAN3 only with or without TRSVC . TRSVC only needed as Video switch when more than 1 camera is installed . 

but you are right that new FEM is not required for camera to work , I don't know why ETK shows different PN for FEM with Camera and without . I have done many camera retrofits on basic F30 and F20 , never needed to change FEM .

Sorry yes, CAN3 smile 


The camera I used in my car, is valid from July 2017 until Jan 2018, so I guess ICAM can be retrofitted without TRSVC from July 17 without problems ?


/Weebyx
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05-03-2019, 12:58 PM,
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RE: BMW F23 - Rear view camera retrofit without SA609
Any more info on this?
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11-03-2019, 11:33 AM,
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XZBMW  RE: BMW F23 - Rear view camera retrofit without SA609
(05-03-2019, 12:58 PM)Wibbles Wrote:  Any more info on this?

What info are you missing ?

My best input is that after 07/17, you can add ICAM 3AG. It is connected to Headunit/power and FEM as the only thing.

This will work on NBT EVO, and probably EntryNav2 also(at least it did for mine, there could be versions of EntryNav2 this will not work on, but I have no more info).

You can do an E-Sys TAL calculation with 3AG to see if headunit replacement is required. If this is 100% safe and exact, I dont know.

VO Code REM/FEM/HU with 3AG.

/Weebyx
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