[fisekovic]

Do anyone knows what remote type does panda 2009 uses... are they blue 3 button flip keys like stilo or maybe black remote keys with pcf7941 on board like fiat 500l etc.... i tried googling but cant be sure, and there are no much informations in catalogues i have. tnx

[mikajna]

Panda uses black remote like Grande Punto and Bravo...same look as Fiat Stilo but black, transponder is PCF7946, Fiat didnt use pcf7941 in flip remote keys, only in keyless...

[fisekovic]

Tnx, do you think is there any chance that remote electronics from blue key (stilo) is compatibile with black one? i hardly belive it is, but it is almost imposible to find new remotes for that generation fiats...

edit: by compatibile i mean programming in car, not fitting physcily in remote key shell

[djole3113]

If it is the same remote like for grande punto,how to precode it for panda ? Grande punto BSI is Delphi, Panda use Siemens bsi.

[mikajna]

If it is the same remote like for grande punto,how to precode it for panda ? Grande punto BSI is Delphi, Panda use Siemens bsi.

Its same transponder generation, I try to explain him that one for Panda is Philips crypto family, but other one for Stilo is megamos and simple remote controler...Shape is same as Grande punto, transponder type of key same as grande punto, but he need to find electronic according to his BSI type, that is siemens BSI little child can google that, you dont need to teach us that mate...but if you are wise guy, why you dont help him and tell what to do, instead of only reading other posts and laugh if someone need help, every good info its usable.

Fieskovicu, when you find correct remote, need to be precoded by dump of siemens bsi, but you need tools like tmpro2, AVDI original or Zed Full/Zed Bull original, because if you prepare with effi or clone zed bull software your remote control will not work, only can start car...those original tools can fully precode transponder pcf7946 transponder part and remote part...in other case you will just suffering.

[djole3113]

The question was-if you use Grande punto remote, HOW TO precode it for panda? Which tool to use? But, let's stop wasting time on wrong advices and go to the solution.
First,mentioned tools(zed bull,zed full,tmpro...) can not precode(prooduce) pcf 7946 transponders by siemens bsi dump.Simply, only pcf 7936 option is offered with pin code calculation. Why that? Because,panda use pcf 7941 remote,prepared for siemens bsi in factory-checked and confirmed. Second, if you have suitable remote(new one and very expensive),you need only to calculate pin code and programm the key via obd,no further preparation needed.

[mikajna]

That is something which I didnt know, its very useful information...thank you mr.Djole