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BMW ISPI NEXT License maker for version 3.xx
23-06-2018, 09:46 AM,
Post: #61
RE: BMW ISPI NEXT License maker for version 3.xx
Price for new version in PM??
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23-06-2018, 13:50 PM,
Post: #62
RE: BMW ISPI NEXT License maker for version 3.xx
Hi, i write Software for me and is not for sale
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23-06-2018, 15:18 PM,
Post: #63
RE: BMW ISPI NEXT License maker for version 3.xx
(23-06-2018, 13:50 PM)epsodus Wrote:  Hi, i write Software for me and is not for sale

You write the software in the end after begging and pleading with the original author for help.
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25-06-2018, 08:55 AM,
Post: #64
RE: BMW ISPI NEXT License maker for version 3.xx
Hello,
no i didn't get any help from the original programmer, i wrote it. I got help with a problem, though, at pshoey. He helped me. I'm not ashamed of that. I don't share programs because others earn money with them.
I don't trust anyone anymore.
I only trust Pshoey and Intel123. Both get everything from me.
Then there are people who can only write and report negatively.
So, that's my point. Sorry, I've been thinking that way for a while.

Sorry for my english.
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25-06-2018, 13:49 PM,
Post: #65
RE: BMW ISPI NEXT License maker for version 3.xx
(25-06-2018, 08:55 AM)epsodus Wrote:  Hello,
no i didn't get any help from the original programmer, i wrote it. I got help with a problem, though, at pshoey. He helped me. I'm not ashamed of that. I don't share programs because others earn money with them.
I don't trust anyone anymore.
I only trust Pshoey and Intel123. Both get everything from me.
Then there are people who can only write and report negatively.
So, that's my point. Sorry, I've been thinking that way for a while.

Sorry for my english.

There's no logic to your argument and its reasoning. In fact, it's counter-intuitive: "not sharing applications so vendors cannot monetize them" is a fallacy. Your actions only further support the opposite of your wanted goal and benefit the current vendors even more. All you are doing is limiting the "market" so to speak: if there are is a limited supply of a product or a service ("the solution") vendors can then charge more for it since it's not publicly accessible. Your closely guarded secret is simply making more money for everyone else.

Instead, consider this scenario: share applications and publicize them as much as you can, this way everyone has access to them without having to pay for them in the first place. This will then balance the market, and individuals who require assistance will more often pay for a service, and those who are comfortable implementing their own solutions can benefit from choice (an open market).

Unless, of course, you ARE the vendor and want to monetize your solution (and your post is basically an ad). If that's the case, you are posting in the wrong forum and are clearly being unprofessional.

I don't understand why "everyone" is against people making money, or they think they are the only ones who have the holy grail in their possession. A massive corporation like BMW is not able to even limit access to their solutions (INPA, tool32, WinKFP, NCS, ISTA, ICOM, etc.) for over a decade thanks to many individuals out there who are able to bring these tools to end consumers/users (like myself). That's beneficial for the "rest of us" who want to successfully diagnose and repair our own cars and avoid costly dealership visits. One can even argue that these "publicly available solutions" also benefits BMW in the end: think about that.

Your English is fine, but your reasoning is not.

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26-06-2018, 11:33 AM,
Post: #66
RE: BMW ISPI NEXT License maker for version 3.xx
(25-06-2018, 13:49 PM)mmx Wrote:  
(25-06-2018, 08:55 AM)epsodus Wrote:  Hello,
no i didn't get any help from the original programmer, i wrote it. I got help with a problem, though, at pshoey. He helped me. I'm not ashamed of that. I don't share programs because others earn money with them.
I don't trust anyone anymore.
I only trust Pshoey and Intel123. Both get everything from me.
Then there are people who can only write and report negatively.
So, that's my point. Sorry, I've been thinking that way for a while.

Sorry for my english.

There's no logic to your argument and its reasoning. In fact, it's counter-intuitive: "not sharing applications so vendors cannot monetize them" is a fallacy. Your actions only further support the opposite of your wanted goal and benefit the current vendors even more. All you are doing is limiting the "market" so to speak: if there are is a limited supply of a product or a service ("the solution") vendors can then charge more for it since it's not publicly accessible. Your closely guarded secret is simply making more money for everyone else.

Instead, consider this scenario: share applications and publicize them as much as you can, this way everyone has access to them without having to pay for them in the first place. This will then balance the market, and individuals who require assistance will more often pay for a service, and those who are comfortable implementing their own solutions can benefit from choice (an open market).

Unless, of course, you ARE the vendor and want to monetize your solution (and your post is basically an ad). If that's the case, you are posting in the wrong forum and are clearly being unprofessional.

I don't understand why "everyone" is against people making money, or they think they are the only ones who have the holy grail in their possession. A massive corporation like BMW is not able to even limit access to their solutions (INPA, tool32, WinKFP, NCS, ISTA, ICOM, etc.) for over a decade thanks to many individuals out there who are able to bring these tools to end consumers/users (like myself). That's beneficial for the "rest of us" who want to successfully diagnose and repair our own cars and avoid costly dealership visits. One can even argue that these "publicly available solutions" also benefits BMW in the end: think about that.

Your English is fine, but your reasoning is not.
I quite agree with you.sometimes we need so many tools because of we love BMW,that’s all.
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26-06-2018, 18:47 PM,
Post: #67
RE: BMW ISPI NEXT License maker for version 3.xx
(25-06-2018, 13:49 PM)mmx Wrote:  
(25-06-2018, 08:55 AM)epsodus Wrote:  Hello,
no i didn't get any help from the original programmer, i wrote it. I got help with a problem, though, at pshoey. He helped me. I'm not ashamed of that. I don't share programs because others earn money with them.
I don't trust anyone anymore.
I only trust Pshoey and Intel123. Both get everything from me.
Then there are people who can only write and report negatively.
So, that's my point. Sorry, I've been thinking that way for a while.

Sorry for my english.

There's no logic to your argument and its reasoning. In fact, it's counter-intuitive: "not sharing applications so vendors cannot monetize them" is a fallacy. Your actions only further support the opposite of your wanted goal and benefit the current vendors even more. All you are doing is limiting the "market" so to speak: if there are is a limited supply of a product or a service ("the solution") vendors can then charge more for it since it's not publicly accessible. Your closely guarded secret is simply making more money for everyone else.

Instead, consider this scenario: share applications and publicize them as much as you can, this way everyone has access to them without having to pay for them in the first place. This will then balance the market, and individuals who require assistance will more often pay for a service, and those who are comfortable implementing their own solutions can benefit from choice (an open market).

Unless, of course, you ARE the vendor and want to monetize your solution (and your post is basically an ad). If that's the case, you are posting in the wrong forum and are clearly being unprofessional.

I don't understand why "everyone" is against people making money, or they think they are the only ones who have the holy grail in their possession. A massive corporation like BMW is not able to even limit access to their solutions (INPA, tool32, WinKFP, NCS, ISTA, ICOM, etc.) for over a decade thanks to many individuals out there who are able to bring these tools to end consumers/users (like myself). That's beneficial for the "rest of us" who want to successfully diagnose and repair our own cars and avoid costly dealership visits. One can even argue that these "publicly available solutions" also benefits BMW in the end: think about that.

Your English is fine, but your reasoning is not.

You reason like a teenager who wants everything for free. When everyone writes that they need a program for personal purposes, in most cases this means that a person will earn money for it. Why then do not you want to pay money to the software manufacturer ?? If everyone gives everything for free, then soon BMW repair will cost 1 euro, and FSC codes 20 cents.


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26-06-2018, 23:27 PM, (This post was last modified: 26-06-2018, 23:38 PM by mmx.)
Post: #68
RE: BMW ISPI NEXT License maker for version 3.xx
(26-06-2018, 18:47 PM)yarickoff Wrote:  
(25-06-2018, 13:49 PM)mmx Wrote:  
(25-06-2018, 08:55 AM)epsodus Wrote:  Hello,
no i didn't get any help from the original programmer, i wrote it. I got help with a problem, though, at pshoey. He helped me. I'm not ashamed of that. I don't share programs because others earn money with them.
I don't trust anyone anymore.
I only trust Pshoey and Intel123. Both get everything from me.
Then there are people who can only write and report negatively.
So, that's my point. Sorry, I've been thinking that way for a while.

Sorry for my english.

There's no logic to your argument and its reasoning. In fact, it's counter-intuitive: "not sharing applications so vendors cannot monetize them" is a fallacy. Your actions only further support the opposite of your wanted goal and benefit the current vendors even more. All you are doing is limiting the "market" so to speak: if there are is a limited supply of a product or a service ("the solution") vendors can then charge more for it since it's not publicly accessible. Your closely guarded secret is simply making more money for everyone else.

Instead, consider this scenario: share applications and publicize them as much as you can, this way everyone has access to them without having to pay for them in the first place. This will then balance the market, and individuals who require assistance will more often pay for a service, and those who are comfortable implementing their own solutions can benefit from choice (an open market).

Unless, of course, you ARE the vendor and want to monetize your solution (and your post is basically an ad). If that's the case, you are posting in the wrong forum and are clearly being unprofessional.

I don't understand why "everyone" is against people making money, or they think they are the only ones who have the holy grail in their possession. A massive corporation like BMW is not able to even limit access to their solutions (INPA, tool32, WinKFP, NCS, ISTA, ICOM, etc.) for over a decade thanks to many individuals out there who are able to bring these tools to end consumers/users (like myself). That's beneficial for the "rest of us" who want to successfully diagnose and repair our own cars and avoid costly dealership visits. One can even argue that these "publicly available solutions" also benefits BMW in the end: think about that.

Your English is fine, but your reasoning is not.

You reason like a teenager who wants everything for free. When everyone writes that they need a program for personal purposes, in most cases this means that a person will earn money for it. Why then do not you want to pay money to the software manufacturer ?? If everyone gives everything for free, then soon BMW repair will cost 1 euro, and FSC codes 20 cents.

Perhaps you need to re-read what epsodus and I wrote.

I never said I don't want to pay, or that I expected everything to be free of charge. I clearly stated that there are individuals out there who will gladly pay for a service, while others won't. I even said, and I quote, "I don't understand why everyone is against people making money," to further describe epsodus' fear of his software being resold.

The irony in this situation is that epsodus doesn't want to monetize his solution either, because he is worried whoever gets a copy of his keygen will in turn resell it to others, thus monetizing his work without his approval. What's even more ironical is that he only shares his software with pshoey and intel123, the former who generously distributed software, and the latter whom gave away the secret sauce to manipulate FSC certificates on a CIC.

I then proposed that he can simply give his software away to the public (if he chooses to) so no one has to pay for it. He can then consider offering a PAID service of setting up workstations, laptops, etc. with automotive software as a complete solution.

Say, did you legally license your copy of ISTA-D and ISTA-P from BMW? Do you have an original ICOM? tauri

What good is a keygen without the actual software to license? I reckon distributing copies of BMW software is a challenge in itself. I seriously doubt all but only a few handful of members on this forum are able to download original ISTA installers, unless there's a public BMW CDN I am unaware of. epsodus may have forgotten that his work is absolutely useless without publicly available copies of ISTA.

Also, this "teenager" (me) drives an E60, so FSC codes are "free" thanks to intel123. And shit, who doesn't want dealership repairs to be 1$? dontknow

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