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Retrofit ENTRYNAV with 606 in vehicle with ENTRYNAV without NAV?
17-03-2019, 13:53 PM, (This post was last modified: 17-03-2019, 13:54 PM by Elmo111.)
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XZBMW  Retrofit ENTRYNAV with 606 in vehicle with ENTRYNAV without NAV?
Hi all,

So for the last few weeks I've been scouring the internet for answers in regards to moving an ENTRYNAV unit with 606 enabled (from a 218d production date 07/14) into a 120d that also has an ENTRYNAV unit, without NAV, (production date 06/15).

I would still like access to the ConnectedDrive facilities of the no NAV unit, but with access to the older ENTRYNAV unit that has 606 enabled.

I'm finding conflicting information regarding whether or not it's possible without the use of an emulator (thus losing all ConnectedDrive features), or mixing and matching the newer FSC certs from the no NAV unit, over to the older 606 unit that already has the 606 FSC cert present.

Am I thinking the solution would be to physically replace the no NAV unit with the 606 ENTYRNAV (and the GPS antenna), VO code the 606 unit to the 120d so no emulator is needed, then moving the FSC certs from the no NAV unit over to the 606 unit, so the vehicle assumes it originally came with 606, thus maintaining the ConnectedDrive features and gaining NAV? 

I know it's a really minor thing to have, but I've got a 7 button iDrive controller that I'd like to use too, that originally came with the 606 unit. (I've been using the 606 unit in my 118d via an emulator, but the 7 button iDrive controller is KCAN2 and my 118d is KCAN1, so I decided to just continue using the 5 button no NAV controller to avoid splicing wires.

Of course that's just my theory, but I'm not sure if it's possible to mix and match FSC's. 

Any guidance/assistance on the matter would be massively helpful, thanks for your time!
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17-03-2019, 14:07 PM,
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RE: Retrofit ENTRYNAV with 606 in vehicle with ENTRYNAV without NAV?
Your car is CAN2 of course so Controller with NAV button will be PNP
CAN2 is from 07.2013+

If you want to retrofit the entrynav unit you will need an emulator, 100%
And no your car does not have ENTRYNAV, it never did. Entrynav is 606 option
Your car has Entry_HU

No you can NOT mix FSC from different radios. FSC set are created for a particular VIN. No way to mix. Would be too easy

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17-03-2019, 14:19 PM,
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RE: Retrofit ENTRYNAV with 606 in vehicle with ENTRYNAV without NAV?
HI,

to use entrynav, CAN filter is needed or you need to buy OEM FSC to your VIN...


Thorsten

BMW OEM FSC codes offer for Apps, Apple CarPlay, Maps, SDARS, Sirius, SLI and others

LINK
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17-03-2019, 14:28 PM, (This post was last modified: 17-03-2019, 14:59 PM by Elmo111.)
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RE: Retrofit ENTRYNAV with 606 in vehicle with ENTRYNAV without NAV?
(17-03-2019, 14:07 PM)bmwcoder75 Wrote:  Your car is CAN2 of course so Controller with NAV button will be PNP
CAN2 is from 07.2013+

If you want to retrofit the entrynav unit you will need an emulator, 100%
And no your car does not have ENTRYNAV, it never did. Entrynav is 606 option
Your car has Entry_HU

No you can NOT mix FSC from different radios. FSC set are created for a particular VIN. No way to mix. Would be too easy

Currently my 118d is from 11.2012, so that's why I never bothered with the NAVcontroller. 

So the 15 plate 120d only has an ENTRY_HU? Does this mean it doesn't have a TCB, even though it has access to ConnectedDrive? So if I was to retrofit the ENTRYNAV I'd lose all of the ConnectedDrive features? What about things like BMW APPS, would they go too, or do they just need an FSC to be activated?

These are the services available on the 120d (no nav) production date 06.15.

[Image: bVoSWIHnwMeMlHZCxKXYGMYvuEBusOsLHnhbR5t4...20-h969-rw]

Thanks!
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17-03-2019, 14:47 PM,
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RE: Retrofit ENTRYNAV with 606 in vehicle with ENTRYNAV without NAV?
Why you put 2014 and 2015 production dates then?

So you are saying with your basic radio and 2012 build you have online services and connecteddrive and apps currently?

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17-03-2019, 14:53 PM, (This post was last modified: 17-03-2019, 14:59 PM by Elmo111.)
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RE: Retrofit ENTRYNAV with 606 in vehicle with ENTRYNAV without NAV?
(17-03-2019, 14:47 PM)bmwcoder75 Wrote:  Why you put 2014 and 2015 production dates then?

So you are saying with your basic radio and 2012 build you have online services and connecteddrive and apps currently?

One head unit from the 07.14 vehicle has 606 - I've been using this head unit inside a 2012 vehicle, via an emulator, with no online services active due to no TCB physically in the vehicle. I've never use the BMW Apps function on the 07.14 unit because it's never been coded to the 2012 vehicle and I don't have the FSC to activate BMW Apps.

The newer 06.15 vehicle has online services and ConnectedDrive, but NO NAV.

Now to my understanding I can't use the online services from the 07.14 vehicle because I don't have a donor TCB with the same VIN as the 07.14 vehicle.

I attached a picture above of the services available for the 06.15 production vehicle.
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17-03-2019, 20:55 PM, (This post was last modified: 17-03-2019, 20:56 PM by tepee.)
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RE: Retrofit ENTRYNAV with 606 in vehicle with ENTRYNAV without NAV?
A 6/2015 car has of course HU Entrynav too, but without navigation (Radio Professional). You can just plug in the other HU Entrynav with navigation. But for navigation function you will need an emulator/CAN filter (or you would have to buy expensive OEM FSCs for your cars VIN).

As for the CD services I‘m not sure, but I think what you had before should also work now with the new HU. I have currently HU NBT Evo retrofitted with an emulator and CD is working as before. I hope it will stay as I don’t know if BMW is checking it time by time via online connection.
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18-03-2019, 12:38 PM,
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RE: Retrofit ENTRYNAV with 606 in vehicle with ENTRYNAV without NAV?
(17-03-2019, 20:55 PM)tepee Wrote:  A 6/2015 car has of course HU Entrynav too, but without navigation (Radio Professional). You can just plug in the other HU Entrynav with navigation. But for navigation function you will need an emulator/CAN filter (or you would have to buy expensive OEM FSCs for your cars VIN).

As for the CD services I‘m not sure, but I think what you had before should also work now with the new HU. I have currently HU NBT Evo retrofitted with an emulator and CD is working as before. I hope it will stay as I don’t know if BMW is checking it time by time via online connection.

Hi Tepee, so even though the TCB from the 06.15 unit doesn't match the VIN of the 07.14 unit, I'll still be able to access ConnectedDrive? 

This is where it gets confusing as am I correct in thinking remote services need the TCB? I already have an emulator for the ENTYRNAV with 606, so getting nav to work won't be a problem.
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18-03-2019, 14:50 PM,
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RE: Retrofit ENTRYNAV with 606 in vehicle with ENTRYNAV without NAV?
I just can talk for NBT Evo. I have OEM ATM and retrofitted HU using donor FSCs with different VIN. I only have tested weather and news, but they are surprisingly working. Remote services I don’t know, this might be more critical.

If you have emulator, just go ahead and try. This is anyway the only option as for Entrynav there are no fake FSCs and OEM is way too expensive.
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