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DME downgrade protection
09-04-2019, 22:15 PM,
Post: #1
XZBMW  DME downgrade protection
There is M2 Competition that has 18_07 shipment and 19_03 current iStep and in the last version it's impossible to make a stage1 yet due to a new protection. And obviously, I tried to make a downgrade to 18_11 but the previous version of bootloader refused to install and SW files were also declined. Then I tried to return SW files from 19_03 but a mysterious protection laughed at me. 
So now I have bricked car with:
BTLD_00005BA6_011_019_002
HWEL_000019DE_011_019_002
UNKN_00000000_000_000_000
UNKN_00000000_000_000_000

There are many log files because I tried to fix it many times using different E-Sys versions but always the same result
This is the log that happens while trying to insert SW files from 19_03
TAL execution started.
VCM Update: VCM-Update is deactivated. VCM will not be updated. [C197]
ExecutionID=2019/04/09-22:59:50.525
[] prepareTALExecution started
[] prepareTALExecution finished
[] prepareVehicleForFlash started
[] prepareVehicleForFlash finished
[DME2 - 12] prepareECUforFlash started
[DME2 - 12] prepareECUforFlash finished
[DME2 - 12] authenticateECUforFlash started
[DME2 - 12] authenticateECUforFlash finished
[DME2 - 12 - swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001] Transaction type: swDeploy;  Message: TA started
[DME2 - 12] performEcuFlash started with protocol UDS
[DME2 - 12 - swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001] Transaction type: swDeploy;  Message: 0% progress on ECUIdbiggrinME2_0x12 [0% of swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001]
[DME2 - 12 - swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001] Transaction type: swDeploy;  Message: 0% progress on ECUIdbiggrinME2_0x12 [0% of swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001]
[DME2 - 12 - swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001] Transaction type: swDeploy;  Message: 0% progress on ECUIdbiggrinME2_0x12 [0% of swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001]
MCDDiagService<id=56634, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.MCD3_PerformECUFlash, service=RC_EM_IE - RoutineControl EraseMemory IndicatedErasing, description=error: negative response : conditionsNotCorrect, link=DME2_12_ETHERNET>
[DME2 - 12 - swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001] Transaction type: swDeploy;  Message: 0% progress on ECUIdbiggrinME2_0x12 [0% of swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001]
[DME2 - 12 - swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001] Transaction type: swDeploy;  Message: TA finished
[DME2 - 12] -MessageID is used multiple times, so MessageText may be ambiguous-job failed with negative response error: 
 code: repeat job
 description: Service RC_EM_IE returned a negative response with response code conditionsNotCorrect; LinkName: DME2_12_ETHERNET
 severity: ERROR

[DME2 - 12] - [Exception - DME2 - 12] job failed with negative response error: 
 code: repeat job
 description: Service RC_EM_IE returned a negative response with response code conditionsNotCorrect; LinkName: DME2_12_ETHERNET
 severity: ERROR

[DME2 - 12] prepareECUforFlash started
MCDDiagService<id=230634, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.MCD3_PrepareECUforFlash, service=DSC - DiagnosticSessionControl, description=error: negative response : conditionsNotCorrect, link=DME2_12_ETHERNET>
MCDDiagService<id=64634, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.MCD3_PrepareECUforFlash, service=RC_DAFM_AFM - RoutineControl ActivateFlashMode, description=error: negative response : conditionsNotCorrect, link=DME2_12_ETHERNET>
MCDDiagService<id=66634, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.MCD3_PrepareECUforFlash, service=RC_DAFM_DFM - RoutineControl DeactivateFlashMode, description=error: negative response : conditionsNotCorrect, link=DME2_12_ETHERNET>
MCDDiagService<id=230900, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.MCD3_PrepareECUforFlash, service=DSC - DiagnosticSessionControl, description=error: timeout, link=DME2_12_ETHERNET>
MCDDiagService<id=34617, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.MCD3_PrepareECUforFlash, service=CDTCS - ControlDTCSetting, description=error: negative response : serviceNotSupported, link=DME2_12_ETHERNET>
MCDDiagService<id=20617, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.MCD3_PrepareECUforFlash, service=CC - CommunicationControl, description=error: negative response : serviceNotSupported, link=DME2_12_ETHERNET>
[DME2 - 12] prepareECUforFlash finished
[DME2 - 12] authenticateECUforFlash started
[DME2 - 12] authenticateECUforFlash finished
[DME2 - 12 - swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001] Transaction type: swDeploy;  Message: TA started
[DME2 - 12] performEcuFlash started with protocol UDS
[DME2 - 12 - swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001] Transaction type: swDeploy;  Message: 0% progress on ECUIdbiggrinME2_0x12 [0% of swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001]
MCDDiagService<id=276649, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.MCD3_PerformECUFlash, service=RDBI_RMA - ReadDataByIdentifier ReadMemoryAddress, description=error: negative response : requestOutOfRange, link=DME2_12_ETHERNET>
MCDDiagService<id=56634, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.MCD3_PerformECUFlash, service=RC_EM_IE - RoutineControl EraseMemory IndicatedErasing, description=error: negative response : conditionsNotCorrect, link=DME2_12_ETHERNET>
[DME2 - 12 - swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001] Transaction type: swDeploy;  Message: 0% progress on ECUIdbiggrinME2_0x12 [0% of swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001]
[DME2 - 12 - swfl_00005ba8-019_080_001] Transaction type: swDeploy;  Message: TA finished
[DME2 - 12] There was an error during TAL execution, please check the log files.
[DME2 - 12] - [Exception - DME2 - 12] job failed with negative response error: 
 code: repeat job
 description: Service RC_EM_IE returned a negative response with response code conditionsNotCorrect; LinkName: DME2_12_ETHERNET
 severity: ERROR

[DME2 - 12] finalizeECUFlash started
[DME2 - 12] finalizeECUFlash finished
[] There was an error, please check the log files.
[] - [Exception - DME2 - 12] job failed with negative response error: 
 code: repeat job
 description: Service RC_EM_IE returned a negative response with response code conditionsNotCorrect; LinkName: DME2_12_ETHERNET
 severity: ERROR

[] finalizeVehicleFlash started
[] finalizeVehicleFlash finished
[] finalizeVehicleCoding started
[] finalizeVehicleCoding finished
[] finalizeTALExecution started
[] finalizeTALExecution finished
TAL execution finished
TAL-Execution finished with status: "FinishedWithError". [C207]
TAL execution finished. Duration: "1min 23s". [C206]
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10-04-2019, 03:20 AM,
Post: #2
RE: DME downgrade protection
Flashing an older bootloader is generally problematic. What does ISTA show? Sometimes it can work miracles and restore bricked modules.
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10-04-2019, 05:36 AM,
Post: #3
RE: DME downgrade protection
Doesn't seem to be "tuner protection" seems as if the new bootloader was either not patched correctly by your tool or correctly done. What tool are you using to tune this car?
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10-04-2019, 06:33 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-04-2019, 06:38 AM by luntik.)
Post: #4
RE: DME downgrade protection
(10-04-2019, 03:20 AM)RocketSurgeon Wrote:  Flashing an older bootloader is generally problematic. What does ISTA show? Sometimes it can work miracles and restore bricked modules.
I tried E-sys only 
I sent the car to officials and now wait for a miracle

(10-04-2019, 05:36 AM)Kuiyt2 Wrote:  Doesn't seem to be "tuner protection" seems as if the new bootloader was either not patched correctly by your tool or correctly done. What tool are you using to tune this car?
I don’t have that tool. My customer has a tool that works on 18_11 and refuses flashing after update to 19_03, so we decided to downgrade and I fucked up the ecu
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16-04-2019, 05:03 AM,
Post: #5
RE: DME downgrade protection
did you fix it?
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26-04-2019, 14:37 PM,
Post: #6
RE: DME downgrade protection
(16-04-2019, 05:03 AM)rana Wrote:  did you fix it?
An official dealer did it by their ista+ without any problems 
I have no doubts doing it by myself with esys
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27-04-2019, 06:33 AM,
Post: #7
RE: DME downgrade protection
Hi, I have faced with exactly the same issue. I tried to tune M2 comp build dat 04.2019, CMD flash was able to read software and after we have file ready we started flashing process. After few seconds it crashed. 

We tried esys but the problem was that the car Ilevel was 19-03-523 and we had esys with psdzdata a bit older. So there was a dependencies issue. However we turned on Ista online and it did a trick without any problens. 

After this issue we tried with Autotuner but they don't have a file or virtual read, none of them, kess, cmd, AutoTuner so there must be some protection I assume. 

I was wondering whether Bench could do the trick. 

Looking forward for any more information regarding this.
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27-04-2019, 16:07 PM, (This post was last modified: 27-04-2019, 16:09 PM by luntik.)
Post: #8
RE: DME downgrade protection
(27-04-2019, 06:33 AM)pweber84 Wrote:  Hi, I have faced with exactly the same issue. I tried to tune M2 comp build dat 04.2019, CMD flash was able to read software and after we have file ready we started flashing process. After few seconds it crashed. 

We tried esys but the problem was that the car Ilevel was 19-03-523 and we had esys with psdzdata a bit older. So there was a dependencies issue. However we turned on Ista online and it did a trick without any problens. 

After this issue we tried with Autotuner but they don't have a file or virtual read, none of them, kess, cmd, AutoTuner so there must be some protection I assume. 

I was wondering whether Bench could do the trick. 

Looking forward for any more information regarding this.
What do you mean by ISTA Online? ISTA with online connection to the official BMW services? If so, did you try to use ISTA without that connection?
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28-04-2019, 06:57 AM,
Post: #9
RE: DME downgrade protection
In my opinion it does not matter. It does not have to be online. It can also be offline ISTA standalone or ESYS, but with the same version i-level as it is in a car or newer one.

The main question is. Is car or soft 19-3-xx really has Tuning protection ?
Does anyone know ?
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28-04-2019, 14:20 PM,
Post: #10
RE: DME downgrade protection
Yes, I just didn't have newest psdzdata with me that's why I used online with BMW server.
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